Legislature(2007 - 2008)HOUSE FINANCE 519

04/10/2008 08:30 AM House FINANCE


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+= SB 119 SCHOOL LIBRARY GRANTS TELECONFERENCED
Moved HCS CSSB 119(FIN) Out of Committee
+= SB 303 SANITATION AND WATER GRANTS TELECONFERENCED
Moved HCS SB 303(FIN) Out of Committee
+= SB 259 EFFECTIVE DATE: MEDICAL ASSISTANCE LAWS TELECONFERENCED
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+ SB 218 CHILD SAFETY SEATS & SEAT BELTS TELECONFERENCED
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+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
+= SB 120 UNEMPLOYMENT COMP: BENEFITS/RECORDS TELECONFERENCED
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CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 119(RLS)                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     An Act relating to grant programs to support libraries.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Chenault MOVED  to ADOPT  work draft  #25-LS0749\W,                                                                   
Mischel,  4/8/08  as  the  version of  the  bill  before  the                                                                   
Committee.  There being NO OBJECTION, it was adopted.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:06:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SUZANNE   ARMSTRONG,  STAFF,   REPRESENTATIVE  KEVIN   MEYER,                                                                   
explained that  the changes to  the work draft occur  on Page                                                                   
2, Section  2, which deals  with the library  major expansion                                                                   
matching grant program.  The changes are as follows:                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
   ·    Subsection (d), Lines 4 - 8, provides that the                                                                          
        Department  in developing  regulations  to  implement                                                                   
        the   matching    grant   program   will    establish                                                                   
        regulations  for the  consideration  of  a  community                                                                   
        that does not currently  have a public library.   The                                                                   
        public library must be publically  owned and operated                                                                   
        by the  community  and can  not  be  a public  school                                                                   
        library.                                                                                                                
   ·    On Page 2, Line 14, the $10,000 dollar eligibility                                                                      
        cap was removed.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer  clarified  that  every  community  would  be                                                                   
eligible  for the  grants and  preference would  be made  for                                                                   
those that do not currently have a library.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kelly  asked the  smallest  qualifying  area.                                                                   
Ms. Armstrong responded  that in order for a  community to be                                                                   
eligible, the library must be  publically owned & operated by                                                                   
a community and  that it can not be a public  school library.                                                                   
With no population  cap, it is assumed that  a community must                                                                   
have  a public  library  or  consider constructing  a  public                                                                   
library  owned  by the  local  government and  providing  50%                                                                   
matching funds.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:08:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Stoltze asked about  "library" spaces that are not                                                                   
actually  libraries but  offer lending  book services  and if                                                                   
they could apply.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:09:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DARWIN PETERSON, STAFF, SENATOR  BERT STEADMAN, referenced AS                                                                   
14.56.400, which describes what a public library is.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     A  public library  established  under this  section                                                                        
     shall  provide  the  following   services  free  of                                                                        
     charge  to the  residences of  the municipality  or                                                                        
     community:                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
        o Establish and maintain a collection of books                                                                          
          & materials for loaning;                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
        o Provide access to inner library loan                                                                                  
          services;                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
        o Provide reading or educational programming                                                                            
          for children; and                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
        o Provide reference information.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Stoltze questioned  if they must meet all criteria                                                                   
to qualify.   Mr. Peterson stated they would  have to provide                                                                   
all  criteria  and would  need  to  be publically  owned  and                                                                   
operated.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:12:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  asked about the original  preference for                                                                   
the smaller communities and where  that language was located.                                                                   
Ms. Armstrong  pointed out  Page 2,  the new subsection  (d),                                                                   
Lines 4-8,  discusses the eligibility standards  establishing                                                                   
an  eligibility   priority  for  applications   submitted  by                                                                   
communities  that do  not currently  have  a public  library.                                                                   
She  pointed  out  concern  that  if  all  libraries  in  all                                                                   
communities would be eligible,  the smaller communities could                                                                   
fall lower on the list.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara  understood  that  the  small  community                                                                   
preference was  being reduced.   The larger communities  will                                                                   
be able to  have major expansion proposals;  however, a small                                                                   
community is  more likely to need  repair and not  to expand.                                                                   
He pointed out  that the way the bill is written,  the entity                                                                   
can  only  apply  for  a  grant  for  construction  or  major                                                                   
expansion.  He  asked about language to cover  major repairs.                                                                   
Mr.  Peterson advised  that  in order  to  qualify for  major                                                                   
expansion, the community  would need to provide  20% of those                                                                   
funds.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:15:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara  repeated   his  query  regarding  major                                                                   
repairs.   Mr. Peterson explained  that the sponsor  does not                                                                   
intend to broaden  the program.  He thought  that the Capital                                                                   
budget should  be the  place to address  issues such  as roof                                                                   
repairs.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:16:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GINNY  AUSTERMAN,   STAFF,  SENATOR  DONNY   OLSON,  provided                                                                   
background  that the bill,  which began  as a school  library                                                                   
grant collection to address items  not normally covered.  She                                                                   
pointed out  that Senator Olson  does support  the additional                                                                   
changes.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:17:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kelly discussed his concerns:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
   ·    Shifts occurring to the broadening use of internet                                                                      
        services; and the                                                                                                       
   ·    Shrinking community sizes.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He wanted to know that the communities  actually applying for                                                                   
the grants are thriving.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:19:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Armstrong   pointed  out  that  there   are  eligibility                                                                   
requirements  and  that  the local  government  must  provide                                                                   
matching funds  as well as  private donors.   Those proposals                                                                   
would be  submitted with the  application and  the Department                                                                   
of Commerce,  Community and  Economic Development  would make                                                                   
the determination.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:19:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Joule  asked if the sponsor supports  the work                                                                   
draft.  Ms. Austerman said he does.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Joule  was disappointed  that  the  community                                                                   
size had been eliminated.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:21:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Chenault   requested    testimony   on   the   two                                                                   
indeterminate fiscal notes.  Mr.  Peterson explained that the                                                                   
Department had originally requested  a new position to manage                                                                   
the program and that request was  zeroed out; the note before                                                                   
the Committee  indicates that  intent.  The regulations  will                                                                   
be  promulgated during  the interim  and  the libraries  will                                                                   
submit  their applications  and be ranked.   The  Legislature                                                                   
will then  have the opportunity  to appropriate the  funds if                                                                   
they so choose.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative Thomas referenced  Page 3, Line 23, the use of                                                                   
"may", while on Page 3, Line 5  uses "shall".  He pointed out                                                                   
that  "shall"  was  used  consistently  throughout  the  bill                                                                   
except the referenced  on Page 3.  He advised  that it should                                                                   
be  consistent throughout  the  bill.   Ms. Austerman  agreed                                                                   
that was  reasonable.   Ms. Armstrong  pointed out  there are                                                                   
two  distinct programs  within the  bill, both  of which  the                                                                   
Department would be considering.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:24:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair    Stoltze    recalled     previous    legislation                                                                   
highlighting  the  size of  a  municipality being  10,000  or                                                                   
less, however,  the work draft expands small  community size.                                                                   
He  thought it  would be  difficult  for certain  populations                                                                   
qualifying and  that there  were inequities being  addressed.                                                                   
He applauded the work done in the work draft.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:27:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Thomas MOVED to  ADOPT conceptual Amendment 1,                                                                   
Page  3,  Line  23, deleting  "may"  and  inserting  "shall".                                                                   
There being NO OBJECTION, it was adopted.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:28:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Stoltze MOVED to  REPORT HCS  SB 119(FIN)  out of                                                                   
Committee  with  individual  recommendations   and  with  the                                                                   
accompanying fiscal notes.  There  being NO OBJECTION, it was                                                                   
so ordered.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HCS SB  119(FIN) was  reported  out of Committee  with  a "do                                                                   
pass" recommendation  and with  indeterminate note #3  by the                                                                   
Department   of   Education   and   Early   Development   and                                                                   
indeterminate note #4 by the Senate Rules Committee.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:28:46 AM                                                                                                                    

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